Talk:Amores (Ovid)

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Page adoption

I've adopted this page as my next project to get it up to scratch Ninquelosse (talk) 12:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Expanding this section

RollingStone122 22:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on expanding this section right now...if anyone has any suggestions, tips, help, etc. I'd love to hear (or, actually, read) it. I need to find some good sources, not just translations of the Amores but actual commentary/analysis on the work.

McKeown's commentary (so far, on the first two books) is great; Barbara Weiden Boyd's book (Ovid's Literary Loves) has a very high reputation, though I personally don't know it. And the Cambridge Companion to Ovid includes several useful articles, with very thorough bibliographies. Also, where does the claim that they were published in sixteen BC come from? The usual range is from some time in the twenties (In Tristia 4.10, O says he started writing when he first began to grow a beard) to 2 CE (since one of the Amores seems to refer to the Ars Am., which is dated to then).

Tibellus or Tibullus?

Early in the article there's a mention of a "Tibullus", a Latin poet. Later in the article it talks about a Tibellus: "the elegy on Tibellus' death". Is this a typo, actually referring to Tibullus, or is Tibellus an entirely different person? I seem to remember something in the Amores about the poet's brother dying, although the more I think about it the more I think that was Catullus. Can anybody help me out?

Tibullus is Tibullus is Tibullus - there is no known 'Tibellus' to speak of. "The elegy on Tibullus's death" refers to Am. 3.9. I do not believe Ovid makes reference in the Am. to his brother's death — though his only brother did die when Ovid was 19, it is Catullus who notably composed a number of poems on his brother's death: namely 65 and 101. From the latter comes the famous ending line atque in perpetuum, frater, ave atque vale (“and on into eternity: hello, my brother, and goodbye.” Shug2304 11:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Allusion

To say "However, the Amores could also be considered a mock epic." entirely misses the point of the joke. There is no way that it can be considered a mock epic: it is in elegaic couplets, Ovid states that he will put aside epic for elegy and that he will write love poems. The clever beginning to I.I is just one of Ovid's many allusions to past or contemporary authors. And even if all of this were questionable, I'd like to see a citation for the comment in the article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.160.86 (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Link to Marlowe's Translation

The link to Marlowe's translation no longer works, at least it didn't for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.123.254.16 (talk) 09:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC) It works for me; they "redirected me to Site v4.0". 108.28.36.116 (talk) 19:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Improvement needed

I've just redone the structure of the page, with some (currently) very empty headers which need lots of work Ninquelosse (talk) 16:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

On the summary section

I do not quite find the description for 3.4 correct. I find it to be more like "I warn you; this is the kind of creature you picked for your wife." If you second this, you can edit it. I just didn't want to edit it since I wasn't sure people agreed with me. 108.28.36.116 (talk) 19:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree - I have changed it to a description I feel better represents it. Change it if you think I too misrepresented it. PeelitePowellite (talk) 00:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Red link Nigellus

In the post classical section there's a red link and I was wondering if it was Ermoldus Nigellus Ijustwanna (talk) 22:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)