Talk:American Legislative Exchange Council

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Greenblatt, Alan (October 2003). "What Makes Alec Smart?". Governing. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help).  Done More needs to be added from this source. It's incredibly dense and informative. I'll get to the rest in the next couple of days if others haven't already. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 10:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC) Greenblatt, Alan (December 2011). "ALEC Enjoys A New Wave of Influence and Criticism". Governing. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help).  Done This is a more recent Governing article by Greenblatt. I haven't read it in depth yet but it could provide excellent reliable coverage of some of the recent controversies. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC) Pilkington, Ed (December 3, 2013). "ALEC facing funding crisis from donor exodus in wake of Trayvon Martin row". The Guardian. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)  Done Shaw, Hank (June 10, 2002). "ALEC's friends bill taxpayers: Biggest industries come to control lobbying council". The Free Lance-Star. p. A1. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)  Done "How ALEC Serves As A 'Dating Service' For Politicians And Corporations". NPR. December 10, 2013.  Done Vanegeren, Jessica (August 10, 2013). "What Madison Rep. Chris Taylor learned at the ALEC conference". The Capital Times. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |newspaper= (help)  Done Taylor, Chris (October 1, 2013). "Rep. Chris Taylor: In ALEC's underworld, democracy is a burden". The Capital Times. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |newspaper= (help)  Done Opinion source. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:06, 16 December 2013 (UTC) Jacobs, Ben (May 4, 2012). "Former Chair Accuses ALEC of Anti-Democrat Bias". The Daily Beast. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)  Done --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC) Milbank, Dana (December 4, 2013). "ALEC stands its ground". The Washington Post.  Done Opinion though some aspects may be cited for facts. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:37, 24 December 2013 (UTC) Williams, Juan (April 23, 2012). "Trayvon killing puts American Legislative Exchange Council in the spotlight". The Hill.  Done Opinion piece. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2013 (UTC) Frank, John (May 6, 2013). "Private conservative group ALEC carries sway in legislature". The News & Observer.  Done Rizzo, Salvador (April 3, 2012). "Some of Christie's biggest bills match model legislation from D.C. group called ALEC". The Star Ledger.  Done Rizzo, Salvador (April 1, 2012). "At Arizona gathering, ALEC teaches lawmakers how to turn conservative ideas into law". The Star Ledger.  Done Rizzo, Salvador (April 1, 2012). "Despite similarities, officials say they did not use model ALEC bills for Christie's education legislation". The Star Ledger.  Not done Hammel, Paul (December 5, 2013). "Nebraska State Sen. Danielle Conrad blasts national group". Omaha World-Herald.  Not done Restuccia, Andrew (June 4, 2014). "Some states already lashing at climate rule". Politico.  Not done Kumar, Anita (December 27, 2011). "Ghostwriter at work for Virginia's assembly?". The Washington Post.  Done Jackman, Molly (December 6, 2013). "ALEC's Influence over Lawmaking in State Legislatures". Brookings Institution.  Done Cole, Michelle (May 26, 2012). "ALEC gains foothold in Oregon, with one-fourth of legislators as members". The Oregonian.  Done Scola, Nancy (April 14, 2012). "Exposing ALEC: How Conservative-Backed State Laws Are All Connected". The Atlantic.  Done "Why ALEC matters". All In with Chris Hayes. January 21, 2014. MSNBC.  Done "Why ALEC is so effective". All In with Chris Hayes. January 22, 2014. MSNBC.  Done Krugman, Paul (June 29, 2014). "Charlatans, Cranks and Kansas". The New York Times.  Not done Opinion piece, of course. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC) Rothschild, Scott (December 17, 2013). "Brownback says perception of ALEC influence is 'overblown'". Lawrence Journal-World.  Done Binker, Mark (July 1, 2014). "McCrory says he is 'happy' to speak to controversial group of lawmakers". WRAL-TV.  Not done Chokshi, Niraj (July 8, 2014). "ALEC, the free-market group liberals love to hate, gets a new boss". The Washington Post.  Done Chokshi, Niraj (July 9, 2014). "Meet the new head of ALEC, the free-market group of state legislators". The Washington Post.  Done Epstein, Reid J. (July 16, 2014). "Progressive Groups Merge in Effort to Counter ALEC in State Capitols". The Wall Street Journal.  Not done Harrison, J.D. (August 7, 2014). "Nation's largest small-business group faces fresh skepticism over new link to ALEC". The Washington Post.  Done Greeley, Brendan; Fitzgerald, Alison (December 1, 2011). "Pssst ... Wanna Buy a Law?". Bloomberg BusinessWeek. (already cited, but expand)  Done Abowd, Paul (May 8, 2014). "ALEC exempted from lobbyist status in three separate states". Center for Public Integrity.  Done Marois, Michael B (March 23, 2015). "BP Ends Involvement With American Legislative Exchange Council". Bloomberg BusinessWeek.  Done

• Suhay, Lisa (March 30, 2015). "Who's pushing the 'religious freedom' legislation in states?". The Christian Science Monitor.
• Bykowicz, Julie (December 3, 2014). "ALEC is Back and Ready to Resume its Conservative Agenda". Bloomberg Politics.
• Pilkington, Ed (February 17, 2016). "Ford becomes latest corporation to sever ties with conservative Alec lobby". The Guardian.
• Milman, Oliver (December 8, 2015). "American Electric Power quits Alec as it helps states move to clean power". The Guardian.
• Balcerzak, Ashley (January 26, 2016). "The Constitutional Convention 2016?". Slate.
• Dreher, Arielle (June 22, 2016). "Mississippi, Your ALEC is Showing". Jackson Free Press.
• Faturechi, Robert (January 6, 2017). "Conservatives Plot Their Course on the Rising 'Sea of Red' in State Capitals". Pro Publica.
• Woodard, Colin (May 2, 2017). "Bill seeks to restrict Maine towns' efforts to build high-speed internet networks". Portland Press Herald.

ACCE

• Greenblatt, Alan (June 2014). "ALEC Goes Local". Governing.
• Pilkington, Ed (July 30, 2014). "Conservative group Alec devises offshoot ACCE to lobby at local levels". The Guardian.
• Pilkington, Ed (March 6, 2014). "Conservative group Alec trains sights on city and local government". The Guardian. {{cite news}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
• Jones, Tim (August 10, 2014). "Corporate Lobby Sets Its Sights on Your Garbage Man". Bloomberg News.
• Elbow, Steven (August 15, 2014). "ALEC sets sights on local governments". The Capital Times.
• Bravo, Ellen (October 17, 2014). "ALEC's disgusting new ploy: How corporate America's trying to roll back local liberal laws". Salon.

• Haven't analyzed reliability yet. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

• Oliver, John (November 2, 2014). "State Legislatures and ALEC". Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. HBO.
• Dewan, Shaila (December 18, 2014). "Foes of Unions Try Their Luck in County Laws". The New York Times.
• Lucas, Phillip (February 13, 2016). "Alabama among many states moving to block local wage laws". The Washington Times.

Secrecy

• Hawkins, Beth (August 22, 2013). "ALEC declares itself exempt from public-disclosure laws, and is challenged". MinnPost.
• Barer, David (August 15, 2013). "Fort Worth lawmaker tries to block request for information on dealings with conservative group". Dallas Morning News.
• Shorman, Jonathan (December 14, 2013). "Springfield Democratic lawmaker hopes to send message about conservative group". Springfield News Leader.
• "Where Do the Elite Meet? Behind Closed Doors". Associated Press. May 12, 2014.
• DeFour, Matthew (March 29, 2014). "Leah Vukmir agrees to turn over ALEC documents to settle open records lawsuit". Wisconsin State Journal.
• Kroll, Andy (December 6, 2013). "ALEC Boots Mother Jones From Its Annual Conference". Mother Jones.

Education

• "Education". ALEC.
• Underwood, Julie; Mead, Julie F. (February 29, 2012). "A Smart ALEC Threatens Public Education". Education Week.

Opinion source. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• "ALEC's Report Card Receives Failing Marks". The Forum on the Future of Public Education: Empirical scrutiny of ideological issues. University of Illinois. May 9, 2013.
• "ALEC v. Kids" (PDF). ProgressNow.
• Lubienski, Christopher; Brewer, T. Jameson (May 2013). "Review of Report Card on American Education" (PDF). National Education Policy Center.
• Hawkins, Beth (March 26, 2012). "ALEC and corporate fingerprints are all over national push for online learning". MinnPost.

Questionable reliability. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:47, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• Hawkins, Beth (February 6, 2012). "What are MN attendees of ALEC confab likely bringing back? Think tenure reform". MinnPost.
• Parti, Tarini (July 30, 2015). "'Dark money': ALEC wants image makeover". Politico.

general discussion about above sources

Context? In each of the sources above the context in which they are to be used is critical. Are there specific edits being proposed? – S. Rich (talk) 05:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC) This is just research, a collection of sources that appear useful. Some of these sources may not make it into the article. I generally separate my research and writing tasks; it helps me stay organized, and it better enables other editors to contribute. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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I reverted @Shock Brigade Harvester Boris's revert of my edit (see diff) as there was no explanation provided. My edits were perfectly in line with MOS and NPOV. Quis separabit? 04:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

There were a number of things wrong with your edits. For starters, you appear to have removed important, reliably sourced content such as the fact that ALEC's activities are legal. Second, your characterization of various media outlets (including the The New York Times and Bloomberg Businessweek) is unsourced and non-neutral. Third, you messed up the title of one of the sources. Fourth, you broke up some paragraphs in a way that in my view makes the prose read a little more choppily. Finally, the word "reportedly" is non-neutral as it's used as an expression of doubt. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 06:59, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Yup. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 11:54, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

LGBT rights section

@Marquardtika: According to WP:SPLC, SPLC is WP:RS for such claims. If you revert me, WP:AE is just around the corner. tgeorgescu (talk) 05:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Discussion is now taking place at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#SPLC at ALEC. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Genericusername57: See:

Much of the Back to Neutral coalition’s work challenges companies’ attempts to expand racial and gender equality, CMD and Hatewatch found. An older nonprofit where Nelson is a board member, the National Center for Public Policy Research (NCPPR), spearheads that coalition. They purchase shares in corporations, lobby their board members and urge shareholders to vote out directors who support diversity initiatives.

If that's not being homophobic, then I don't know what it is. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Homophobic is one of those terms we really need in direct quotes. But also the quote seems much broader than homophobia. A summary of that would probably be about "lobbying against corporations' efforts to improve racial and gender diversity". Ok, that's a bit too close of a paraphrase, but something to that effect. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: About we can say they're involved to the extent the source says they are: the source is saying “We’re particularly sensitive about this corporate woke culture,” said Nelson, using a slang term associated with social justice activism. “We have a new coalition ... that is really, really active. ... We are certainly a part of that.” tgeorgescu (talk) 13:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding my quote, by that I mean the source justifies saying ALEC is part of the Back to Neutral coalition. The coalition is engaged in these activities. I just mean that it would be a little too much to apply the transitive property to attribute Back to Neutral's activities directly to ALEC (as opposed to Back to Neutral, which ALEC is part of). Does that make sense? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

This was an egregious WP:BLP violation which wasn't even verified by the source. I have changed the content to actually reflect what the source says. Marquardtika (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not some kind of freak who cannot work collaboratively. The rub seems to be among "homophobic", "anti-LGBT", and the quote seems much broader than homophobia. So, yeah, "homophobic" isn't mentioned verbatim, it is implied something much broader than homophobia. Am I figuring it, or it got from bad to worse (for ALEC c.s.)? The BLP violation got removed so that the article sounds even meaner. You would not believe me, but in my version the charge was milder and more limited. While Nelson is no longer mentioned by name, the charge against her is worse now. By removing her name, the charge was not removed, but it is much broader. The BLP violation was thus a purely formal concern. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:06, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

My WP:NPOV concerns (and the WP:BLP and WP:OR concerns raised by other editors here) have been addressed by this edit, although I question inclusion of the SPLC opinion per WP:UNDUE. For ALEC, “200 of its model bills become law each year”, so how many of these are LGBT-related bills, and which are on the pro- or anti- side? Participation in a coalition (which itself is not notable) and which has produced no notable model bills or even policy positions of ALEC seems irrelevant to the section titled “Notable policies and model bills”. BBQboffin (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Wrong place in the article? Then move the text, don't delete it. It is relevant to know what their broad network of Mitläufer organizations is doing. About laws, I heard there is a Texas law that websites are not allowed to censor Texans. See SCOTUS Vacates Appeals Court Order on Texas Social Media Law on YouTube. It is quite clear that if one is a neonazi from Texas, their posts should not be deleted. This is wholly in line with Nelson's aims. She fights against "woke corporations" who censor neonazis, anti-LGBT and racists, i.e. what she calls "this corporate woke culture". About such efforts against the woke Big Tech she stated "We are certainly a part of that." Of course, I don't have WP:RS that ALEC has drafted the Texas social media law, but it certainly seems that their Mitläufer did. It certainly looks like a MAGA law. tgeorgescu (talk) 13:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Lead section

Tie to the Koch network should be made explicit in the lead section and not buried deep in the body of the text and falsely presented as unverified claims. There’s literally dozens of books on this subject. Viriditas (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, good suggestion on the principle that the most important items can be gleaned by the reader in the first paragraph. Multiple books on the subject indicates the content is important. It would be helpful if you could list some of those books as a bread crumb path for Wikipedians who may have time to edit the lead. Anne9853 (talk) 22:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)