Talk:Al-Jazira Province
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Requested move 30 September 2015
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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed after several week, apologies for making you jump through the extra hoops. Jenks24 (talk) 08:31, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Al-Jazira province → Al-Jazira Province – Class names contained in names of geographic entities are normally (rare exceptions exist) capitalized in the English Wikipedia. The article is about an entity covering territory that is currently part of Syria. For such entities capitalization is the standard way, compare: Jazira Canton, Latakia Governorate, Daraa District – 91.9.99.97 (talk) 13:01, 30 September 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 07:24, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
- Seems like it might be a form of natural disambiguation rather than a proper name? Not sure, will let someone else make the call. Jenks24 (talk) 13:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Jenks24, your statement mixes the difference between short names and long names with the difference in capitalization. It is not the short name, i.e. "Al-Jazira", which would omit the class name, but irrespective of inclusion of the class name, it is one of the proper names for that entity. Same goes for Jazira Canton, Latakia Governorate, Daraa District and any US county: short name "Blaine", full name "County of Blaine" OR "Blaine County" OR "Blaine county" - all are proper names; WP article Blaine County, Nebraska NOT Blaine county, Nebraska. 91.9.99.97 (talk) 15:51, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Notice in all the examples you've given that the "long name" is capitalised and bolded in the lead. Not the case for Al-Jazira province. Jenks24 (talk) 15:55, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Jenks24, your statement mixes two bugs. Easy to find articles that have that bug in the lead, but not the other bug in the article title: Buenos Aires Province, Entre Ríos Province. 91.9.99.97 (talk) 16:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Notice in all the examples you've given that the "long name" is capitalised and bolded in the lead. Not the case for Al-Jazira province. Jenks24 (talk) 15:55, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Jenks24, your statement mixes the difference between short names and long names with the difference in capitalization. It is not the short name, i.e. "Al-Jazira", which would omit the class name, but irrespective of inclusion of the class name, it is one of the proper names for that entity. Same goes for Jazira Canton, Latakia Governorate, Daraa District and any US county: short name "Blaine", full name "County of Blaine" OR "Blaine County" OR "Blaine county" - all are proper names; WP article Blaine County, Nebraska NOT Blaine county, Nebraska. 91.9.99.97 (talk) 15:51, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:41, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: User:Anthony Appleyard, you turned this into a contested technical request. Can you at least provide a reason, why you contested it? 91.9.99.97 (talk) 16:55, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- The original request was added to by 4 discussion messages, thus contesting it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- User:Anthony Appleyard, such a method of contesting, namely purely counting messages irrespective of content, is not mentioned at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. Also Jenks24 said "Not sure, will let someone else make the call.". 91.9.110.37 (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- The original request was added to by 4 discussion messages, thus contesting it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
As the creator of this article, I confess I made a spelling mistake when I didn't put a capital letter to "province" in the title, maybe because I'm still mainly a native French speaker and I sometimes forget where to put capital letters in English, sorry :-/ --Minorities observer (talk) 15:50, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- User:Minorities observer, it is not a mistake in English. There are other conventions that write "Washington county" instead of "Washington County". Only in the English Wikipedia, the overwhelming choice is to capitalize the class name if it is part of a geographic name. 91.9.120.145 (talk) 23:32, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
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editI don't understand the relevance of statistics coming from an obviously biased and activist source, "the National Association of Arab Youth". In addition, why are there now two identical tables with 1943 and 1953 censuses results ? The new one is not accurate as it doesn't list Chaldeans and "Nestorians" among the Assyrians, a national denomination which included Syrian Orthodox and Catholics in the older table. On the other hand, French colonial statistics had a narrower definition of "Assyrians", i.e. "Nestorians". --Minorities observer (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
- I understand your point about the French mandate authorities and how they separated Christians from Assyrians, may be based on eastern vs western churches. Anyway, these are the data we have at hand and we cannot really change the description, unless we merge Assyrian and Christian under one Assyrian/Christian. As for the other point, this is a source like any other source, and we have no information to accuse it of being biased. Actually, similar articles (e.g., rojava, Afron canton, etc.) are mainly based on militant-affiliated sources (Hawar, Basnews, ARAnews, etc), and even some blogs. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 02:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
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