Talk:After All (The Miracles song)

Article title

Since the original artist was The Miracles (from their album Hi... We're the Miracles), shouldn't this article be moved to After All (The Miracles song)? Although it is not specifically spelled out at Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Music or Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Naming, I believe that standard disambiguation is by original artist.--ShelfSkewed Talk 17:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 22 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:13, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

---

After All (The Miracles song) → After All (Miracles song) – I don't know exactly what should be discussed, as requested by @Amakuru:, but this was already discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 22:40, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• Speedy move per Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Music#RfC: using "The" in song/album article titles. It seems that Amakuru disputes the outcome of that RfD, but this really isn't the place. PC78 (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
• Support speedy move per nom and PC78. Dicklyon (talk) 23:35, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. The band is called The Miracles, not "Miracles", so our disambiguation should say that. And the RFC in question (on a little-watched subpage of the MOS) was contested immediately afterwards as it was a clear no consensus and also garnered less support than a normal RM would. Certainly not a reason to ram through large numbers of changes without any RMs. A change to naming of this magnitude should be discussed at WT:AT, where the policy on naming is established.  — Amakuru (talk) 02:07, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

One person opposed the close, I mean WP:PDAB (when existed) was approved (I don't remember the exact figures, but it had 1 figure above) 8-7 (let's say). Even though I opposed it and contested it properly I did not go opposing PDabs and moving pages back. I waited 3 months to request its demotion and removal from the guidelines; now it serves as a supplement but not an enforced guideline. MOS:MUSIC might be an obscure guideline, but so is any MOS:X, they are meant to guide in specific situations (in this case music-related articles), and the writing of that page applies exclusively to music-related pages. This omission and decapitalization of "the" is not new, it has existed for years at WP:THE and Category:The Beatles. This has nothing to do with WP:AT because a) parentheses are not a subject of AT but WP:DAB, and b) this is part of WP:NCTHE. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 14:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

---

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.