Talk:Afro-Caribbean people

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Perhaps this could redirect to British Afro-Caribbean community? --b. Touch 20:34, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps it could be a disambiguation page (after all, why British Afro-Caribbean?). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:11, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Good point. I like your idea. --b. Touch 22:46, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Can you think of anything else that could reasonably go here? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:03, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I suppose that's fine, for now. This article should really be about African-descended people from Jamaica, Haiti, etc. But this is a topic I'm not well-versed enough in to write on, or even know where to look. --b. Touch 03:24, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, this disambiguation page is pretty lame, why would I come to the Afro-Caribbean page to learn about the Carribean in general? Or why would I come to this page to learn just about Afro-Caribbean people who are now living in England? I came to this page to learn about Afro-Caribbean people living in THE CARRIBEAN.

I agree up to a point, except that it should then be moved (it's odd, at least, to have an article with an adhective as its title. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:39, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

There's no such thing as the "British Afro-Caribbean community" anyway, unless of course you mean a bunch of Caribbean-British who are all Jimi Hendrix impersonators. :-) -- Korax1214 (talk) 06:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

How about we turn this into a seperate article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.235.77 (talk) 00:30, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

List of Major Figures...

Since I created the 'list of major figures in Afro-Caribbean History' including Toussaint L'Ouverture, Franz Fanon, Portia Simpson Miller, Derek Walcott and Rhianna a number of additions have been made which do not appear to meet a reasonable criteria of 'major' with regard to their contribution to Afro-Caribbean history. They are for the most part minor or second-string entertainers, who, whilst perhaps notable in their own right have not achieved what could be described as a major historical contribution. Others, such as American-born Lenny Kravitz, who has one Afro-Caribbean grand-parent, also seem like a stretch. I therefore propose that the following be removed from the list:

• Shyne-Belizean Rapper.
• Foxy Brown-Trinidadian Rapper.
• Kevin Lyttle-Vincentian Singer.
• Errollyn Wallen-Belizean Composer.
• Nadia Cattouse-Belizean Singer and Composer.
• CCH Pounder-Guyanese Actress.
• Al Roker-Television News Personality.
• Lenny Kravitz-Bahamian Singer,son of Roxie Roker.
• Tatyana Ali-Trinidadian Actress and Philanthropist.
• Alfonso Ribeiro-Trinidadian Actor.
• Esther Rolle-Bahamian Actress known as Florida Evans on "Good Times".
• Nia Long Trinidadian Actress.
• Sommore-Trinidadian Actress and Comedienne.
• Trinidad James-Trinidadian Rapper

My own feeling is that, none of these entertainers themselves would seriously contemplate being regarded as 'major figures in Afro-Caribbean history' and to include them has the effect of rendering the list ridiculous. Ackees (talk) 08:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Afro-Caribbean not General Caribbean

Recently, an editor removed the subtitle and link to 'Afro-Caribbean history' from this article, redirecting it to 'Caribbean History'. The Caribbean has a general history, which includes all of the people in the region, and it also has specific histories, which refer to specific groups - such as 'Caribbean women'; Taino History; White Caribbeans, etc. 'Afro-Caribbeans' (of African Caribbeans/Black Caribbeans) do not have a 'separate history' from the other groups, but, they do have a specific history. It is that specific history which this page addresses. Attempts to undermine that specificity, however well intentioned, undermine the integrity of the article.Ackees (talk) 08:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 9 January 2017

• Afro-Caribbean → Afro-Caribbeans – Since it is a group of people the title should be plural, not singular. AquilaXIII (talk) 09:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

• Support - Parity of nomenclature in keeping with consensus over the plural term use for diasporic ethnic groups residing in/citizens of another country (rfcid=67A353C). This has been applied articles for multiple regions across the globe since the RfC as a matter of WP:COMMONSENSE. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:54, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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Is "post-colonialist studies" a "pseudo-scientific discipline"?

I don't think this sentence, in the last paragraph, is appropriate: "only in minor pseudo-scientific disciplines such as postcolonialist studies)". I object particularly to the phrase "pseudo-scientific", which really means, "studies I don't like the conclusions of". Now I too don't like the conclusions -- or the premises -- of many of these studies, but that doesn't make them "pseudo-scientific". I know this phrase is used to frighten people away from studies about genetics and IQ, genetics and impulse control, etc and it's equally objectionable when it's used by the other side.Doug1943 18:12, 17 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug1943 (talk • contribs)

West Indian Creoles

I have moved West Indian Creoles from the first line of the lede to later on, since this is usually considered a general term for all Caribbeans (as per Encyclopaedia Britannica), or for Spanish- or European-descended Caribbean people specifically (as per Merriam-Webster, Dictionary.com, etc). Its usage to refer to Afro-Caribbean people specifically is largely considered archaic, as per those dictionary sources. Hence, it was WP:UNDUE where it was.

The term West Indian Creole (which doesn't have a page of its own) was piped to West Indian, and the source given was a YouTube video which isn't a reliable source as per WP:RS.

There is wider language-usage debate around the word for its clarity and specificity. It means different things in different parts of the Caribbean, and there are groups (such as the Haitian and Surinamese Creoles) for whom it's a specific endonym which distinguishes them from other Afro-Caribbean peoples.

From looking at Google Scholar, West Indian Creole is more often used to refer to the Creole languages of the Caribbean. Caribbean culture is also described as Creole, and of course, Brathwaite writes of creolisation. None of which is quite the same as saying Creole = Afro-Caribbean.

In the interests of compromise, however, the term is still in there with RSes and sufficient context. Hopefully this will avoid any further edit warring, as happened over at Afro-Jamaicans. If we need to discuss terminology further, I would suggest we seek consensus here first so we can ensure the highest quality sources and stick to policy. Lewisguile (talk) 11:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Reverts and moving forward

I have reverted the insertion of WP:UNDUE, WP:BIAS and WP:TE by blocked IP user as likely WP:SPA. Similar changes were made by this user to several related pages: Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Jamaicans, Coromantee and Tacky's Rebellion.

Having compared the diffs to see if there was anything worth keeping, I have manually restored anything with RSes or which improved prose (if there was anything). Most changes were poorly sourced and added significant bias into the article, or simply removed existing information for no policy-based reason.

For transparency, I will post this on all affected pages. Lewisguile (talk) 17:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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