Talk:Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Pennsylvania
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2nd proposal on adding mass shooting categories
editGiven that time has passed since my initial request some months ago, I'd like to bring up this subject again. Speaking strictly on facts, this event can be considered a mass shooting according to several definitions (which are utilised across Wikipedia), including the definitions set by the Gun Violence Archive, Vox, and the Stanford University MSA Data Project. More importantly, since the shooting, several reliable sources have, one way or another, referred to this event a mass shooting, or referred to Crooks as a mass shooter. See the contents of the following:
The Attempt to Assassinate Trump Was Also a Mass Shooting | The Trace
Criminologist: Shooting at Trump rally yet another reason to focus on assault weapons | The Palm Beach Post
Trump Rally Attack Was PA’s 19th Mass Shooting of 2024 | CeaseFirePA
Trump is now a member of the mass shooting survivor’s club – will it change anything? | The Guardian
Trump describes assassination attempt in speech accepting GOP presidential nomination | Nebraska Examiner
Trump rally gunman Thomas Crooks in rare class among high-profile shooters | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Tree may have blocked sniper team's view of Trump rally gunman, maps show | CBS News (categorised as a 'mass shooting' article)
'He was a true hero:' PA man shares his attempt to help father killed in Trump shooting | The Beaver County Times
Trump Agrees to FBI Interview in Attempted Assassination Investigation | The New York Times
Trump Rally Shooter Had Interest in Violence Since 2019, FBI Analysis Shows | The New York Times
This is not every article, but I think this is more than enough to allow categories such as Category:Mass shootings in the United States. These articles could be inserted into the article for referencing if people agree with this proposal. Previous discussions of this concept were met with opposition due to lack of reliable sources calling this event a mass shooting, so I compiled this small list of a variety of global, national and local news sources which do so. It is worth noting that this event is already classified as a mass shooting on the article List of mass shootings in the United States in 2024. Additionally, within this article, under Motive, it is already stated that this shooting fits some definitions of a mass shooting.
In other discussions of this nature, it has been argued that Crooks was likely only targeting Trump, so categorising the event as a 'mass shooting' is inappropriate, but this would be original research (WP:OR) as Crooks' entire motives and intentions have not been confirmed. Macxcxz (talk) 02:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 October 2024
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Change: A previous attempt at violence toward Trump during one of his rallies happened in 2016, when a man attempted to grab a security officer's gun at a rally outside of Las Vegas.[27]
To:
A previous attempt at violence toward Trump during one of his rallies happened in 2016, when a man attempted to grab a police officer's gun at a rally outside of Las Vegas.[27]
Source is the in the linked (27) news article. The "security" officer was in fact a Las Vegas Metropolitan Police officer, on duty providing assistance to the Secret Service. 72.5.34.1 (talk) 09:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Accepted. Macxcxz (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Trump being supposedly shot and the FBI report
editThe lead paragraph currently states that Trump was "shot", based on a RfC. However, that RfC predates the FBI report - currently cited in the article via a NYT article - that states that Trump was either grazed by a bullet or by a fragment thereof i.e. it is unclear whether he was actually shot. While a number of sources use that phrasing, most predate that report. Cortador (talk) 10:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think this depends on your definition of "shot". A bullet was fired at him and hit him - to some extent - so I think 'shot' is appropriate. Macxcxz (talk) 11:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- This has already been debated ad nauseam. The FBI confirmed that Trump was shot by a bullet, either whole or in part. Any discussion beyond that is useless semantics. "Shot" is completely appropriate:
- https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/shoot
- "to wound or kill (a person or animal) with a bullet, arrow, etc., that is shot from a weapon"
- A bullet fragment is part of a bullet. Just so it's extra clear for you, being grazed by a bullet is a more specific subset of being shot by a bullet i.e. if you were grazed by a bullet, then by definition you were shot by a bullet. MightyLebowski (talk) 01:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
"Ketchup packet" claims
editYes, I am actually bringing this up because it's actually "a thing" which has been an issue since the attempt. There are several reliable sources which have brought it up in order to debunk the ridiculousness of it:
Doctored photo of Trump assassination attempt fuels baseless 'staged' claims
Why Conspiracy Theories Spread on the Left and Right After the Assassination Attempt on Trump
Ahead of U.S. polls, Liberals stir the pot with conspiracy theories
How BlueAnon conspiracy theories are gaining momentum since the assassination attempt on Trump
Should this be included? 216.168.91.102 (talk) 21:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Close call, but I don't think so. The article already says "False claims included that the shooting and blood on Trump were faked; that crisis actors were used..." in the "Misinformation and conspiracy theories" section. After checking out the ketchup packet photo in question (which is hilarious) I find it hard to believe anyone took it seriously... this seems to be about just another internet meme. Marcus Markup (talk) 06:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- As with the above, were already cover false claims. Slatersteven (talk) 10:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 December 2024
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I found some misinformation and just wanted to fix it. 2600:1700:B3E0:EE60:F087:4A68:DFDE:1476 (talk) 04:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Be more specific. Where in the article is the misinformation? ZionniThePeruser (talk) 05:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 08:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Main photograph
editCan we please change the photo of the crowd and the rally to the iconic photo of Trump raising his fist? 2600:1011:B323:2A52:11E4:26C1:C49B:8B7 (talk) 00:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
(Re)Classification of the event
editThe article's representation of the event exists on conjecture rather than proven fact, and to solely assume that this event was a genuine assassination attempt is actually less neutral and academic than a stance that legitimized the possibility of the event being a hoax
Ignoring all of the superficial signs of this being predetermined (reaction to getting shot, photograph, who the "assassin" actually was) there are some pretty clear inconsistencies
This interview with Netanyahu very soon after the incident shows no damage to his right ear[1], which is inconsistent with the piercing of the ear that he described after the event (How could it heal so quickly?)
In addition, there were no actual released official medical reports actually detailing damage to the ear
Wikipedia is supposed to be a place of truth in an internet of misinformation, and to actually buy into the Big Lie from someone whose political career has been defined by misinformation campaigns is irresponsible ZeRocky (talk) 12:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- @ZeRocky: The source you present has no mention of him "having a fine ear". Either way, we regurgitate what reliable sources publish, and failing to adhere to that is WP:OR. EF5 14:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Reliable sources are not conflicted about what happened and we go by what they say. PackMecEng (talk) 14:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)