Talk:2011–2014 terrorist attacks in Kenya

A couple of questions/concerns

1. Is the title appropriate? "Blasts" is a bit of a sensationalist news term, but I don't know what an alternative might look like.
2. Does this article have a single coherent topic? It seems to me that there might be a certain amount of synthesis in linking similar events when reliable sources don't, or only cautiously do so. This problem is perhaps exacerbated by the inclusion of an attack which took place in Mombasa in an article explicitly about events in Nairobi.

I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of more knowledgeable editors. Thanks in advance! – Arms & Hearts (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree that "blast" is not appropriate in the title. I would suggest "bombing" -- if you look here, a comparable attack is called an "urban bombing". There are some encyclopedic writing style changes I would like to make as well, but want to see what kind of response the name change received before continuing. Dreambeaver(talk) 20:52, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree as well, the wording can and should be improved. I suggest the topic be reconsidered to include Kenya-wide incidences to increase the article's relevance and scope.Thuralt (talk) 02:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Kenya-wide incidents as in bombings in 2011? It might be good to base the format off of something like the January 2012 Nigeria attacks. Background, sections for the different attacks, and maybe an aftermath-type of section. Dreambeaver(talk) 03:35, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes the bombings are now happening countrywide and not only in Nairobi as the title alleges. In fact, 48 hours ago, there was another bombing in Mombasa that left 3 dead and scores injured. Mombasa is another city about 500km from Nairobi.There have been also other bombings in the far North eastern part of Kenya which I believe should also be included in this article.The bombings have been happenings since back in 2011 and grouping them according to years would also make the article neat and well planned. ^stephenWanjau _{Talk to Me. Email Me.} 06:48, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Not specifically in 2011 because these attacks have been continuing and consistent since 2011 into 2012. If the title were to include a specific timeline, like 2011, this would render potential content, such as 2012 attacks, impertinent. I doubt the case for multiple articles related to terror incidences in Kenya could be argued, though it might be a good idea if these articles bear significant relevance. Alternatively, the title could go something like "Terror Attacks in Kenya" and then possibly include the different timelines in the article.Thuralt (talk) 09:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I support having the title as "Terror attacks in Kenya" and then have the time lines of these events. ^stephenWanjau _{Talk to Me. Email Me.} 09:33, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

For the time being I agree that we don't need to have separate articles for each attack. Maybe if they have more significance in the future then that could be something. Do we want to focus it on al-Shabaab attacks in Kenya, and have the name reflect that? I realize that is all the content now, but I certainly can't predict what will happen in the future. We can always deal with it as information comes. In addition, it doesn't seem like it is typical to have terror attacks in the name. Rather, the title with terror attacks usually is a redirect (like Terror Attacks in Mumbai 2008 and Terror attacks of September 11, 2001). Dreambeaver(talk) 03:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Overall path

Hey I think the overall direction of this page keeps changing and I just wanted to touch base and see what the goals were. As of now, a lot of these attacks have no refs to go along with them (which is obviously a concern). The format keeps being drastically changed. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to format the page and what to include? Dreambeaver(talk) 1:23, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Quite true, though not for the worse, in my view. But I do share your concern about unreferenced content and will try to look for the relevant sources. About the format maybe we can contact the major contributor, who I think is stephenwanjau, and see what we can do.Thuralt (talk) 12:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I definitely agree that it is nice to have all of the information as long as we can keep the goals of Wikipedia in mind. Something that stands out is that the title is 2012 Terror attacks but a great deal of the information focuses on attacks in 2011, between October and December. Any ideas on how to address this? Dreambeaver(talk) 23:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Thuralt for reaching out at me on my talk page. Yes, I agree that the article has had more additions and contributions since I was last here.Most of the events do not have the references but they might have actually happened and notable. My primary reason why I started the article is because of the reprisal attacks by the Alshabaab militia as a result of the Kenyan invasion into Somalia. The last time I was here the article looked like this. Probably we should reach out for the editors who made the additions to cite their sources.Or what could be the best way to improve the quality of the article? _{Talk to Me. Email Me.} 05:53, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

That's reasonable, I'll try to do so but I think there is some confusion because it appears that this talk page is the primary editing forum for the Terrorism in Kenya article and the 2012 terror article, which I think is quite discordant. Maybe this can be rectified by undoing the redirection, so that everyone is on the same page. Or if that is a bit redundant, would merging the two articles be better? Thuralt (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

There is the proper article on terrorism in Kenya at Terrorism in Kenya, IMHO I understand that is a highlight on the general topic of terrorism in Kenya. This article can be a subset of the aforementioned while its main aim is to highlight the reprisal attacks as a result of invasion into Somalia by the Kenyan Defense forces. I am a Kenyan citizen and living in Kenya though that is not very important but I believe these reprisal attacks have a magnitude that warrant them to be on an independent article. Or else we could rename the article to "Reprisal attacks as a result of "Operation Linda Nchi". My thoughts anyway. _{Talk to Me. Email Me.} 18:11, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I'd support changing the name, as I don't like how it currently suggests that it is limited to 2012 when it really isn't. I might try to work on some of the content and change it to prose form in general, hopefully making it less of a receptacle for random news pieces and more of a coherent piece. Dreambeaver(talk) 17:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm fine with that as well, though am still concerned about having the same talk page for both articles as it doesn't promote rigorous editorial discourse, which, I believe, is the intended purpose.Thuralt (talk) 09:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

You're right -- that definitely needs to be changed. I would make the change but I am unfamiliar with moving pages. Would we just remove the redirect from the other page? If we're going to make these changes, I don't want to have to keep tweaking it and would hope it's done right the first time. Dreambeaver(talk) 18:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I've moved it back so hopefully there isn't any more confusion.Thuralt (talk) 18:21, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Squads

I merged a WP:POVFORK of this page, as it's just a duplicate of it. Many of the attacks also are not the work of Al-Shabaab but rather local Kenyan groups, as already explained [1]. It has since then also come to light that the Kenyan government was/is operating death squads, assassination units which have themselves claimed responsibility for many of the killings [2]. Middayexpress (talk) 18:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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