File talk:Jazz ensemble - seating diagram.svg

Seating of the sax section is wrong (i.e. not the common way); correct order is (from left to right): 1st tenor, 2nd alto, 1st alto, 2nd tenor, bariton

Incorrect ordering for saxophones

I came across this image at Big band and immediately noticed that the saxophone ordering did not reflect what I have known to be standard (the other sections appear to be correct). I've been looking through what sources I could find online (most places that discuss seating online are in musician forums and so not appropriate), and have yet to find a source, aside from a forum post, that reflects the ordering in this image.

The order I'm finding in non-forum sources (see [1], [2], [3], and especially this peer reviewed article [4]) is what I know to be standard: Tenor 1 | Alto 2 | Alto 1 | Tenor 2 | Bari

In other words, Alto 1 is in the middle of the section, with Alto 2 between Alto 1 and Tenor 1.

(This other source is also peer-reviewed, and describes the "three lead chairs" in the graphic of setup showing them aligned in the middle, thus implicitly showing Alto 1 as being in the center.)

If possible, could this image be easily updated with this more-common seat order? Or, if you believe the order in the image is indeed more common, could you provide some sourcing to support it?

(pinging creator LtPowers just in case)

--Pinchme123 (talk) 01:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Entirely possible I got the altos switched. I was going off of memory rather than a source (good job finding some, by the way; at the time, I couldn't). It's an SVG file so it's easy to update if you don't want to wait for me to get around to it. Powers ^T 02:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. My biggest barrier to correcting it myself is that I have an IP block exemption for English Wikipedia and would have to convince Commons to also provide this flag, for me to have editing permission to update the file (good to know it's easy to do though and I'm confident I could figure it out).

Something I don't know is the actual etiquette of altering an image someone else uploaded. For my own curiosity, would me doing this without asking have been acceptable (at least in your case and for this image)?

--Pinchme123 (talk) 03:55, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I've updated the file, though thumbnails may need to be regenerated (try shift F5 to force refresh). No worries about editing the image! It's a wiki; everything's designed to be edited by anyone. (That's partly why I used SVG, in fact.) Images are no different than text in that regard. Powers ^T 12:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Well thank you so much! I wasn't expecting you to rush to it, but really appreciate your quick work to get it updated. Happy editing. --Pinchme123 (talk) 16:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)