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Green Bay Net

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Fails WP:GNG BryceM2001 (talk) 16:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Internet, and Wisconsin. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete After a WP:BEFORE (a bit tricky since the Packers dominated my search results) , I found this, which has a bit of information dedicated to Elliot Christenson and has a bit about Green Bay Net, but other than that there aren't enough sources to establish notability. The USNEWS source actually has SIGCOV but I can't access the other two sources cited in the article. Either way, there aren't enough reliable sources to establish notability. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 19:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this company page fails to meet WP:NCORP while most of its references are only of superficial nature and fail per WP:ORGTRIV. --Old-AgedKid (talk) 12:37, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Michels

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Delete - This article was previously nominated for deletion in July 2012 where a consensus to keep was reached. I think it's time to delete this article as it's the same situation as the previous Eric Hovde article, a two time losing candidate who isn't really notable beyond that. Some users then made arguments to keep which I do not believe would hold up under modern WP standards. Thus I believe this article should be deleted or at least redirected to 2022 Wisconsin gubernatorial election. Subject does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NPOL standards.
(Additional comments) Michels does occasionally get mentions in articles after the election, but almost always saying how he 1. won't run again or 2. lost to Tony Evers and not much coverage beyond that. -- Talthiel (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 August 30. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 20:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - and redirect to the 2022 Wisconsin gubernatorial election. Michels has never held public office and his only coverage has been related to the two elections he lost, especially the 2022 election. He is not a political commentator or activist, unlike some failed political nominees who do have their own articles (i.e. Kari Lake--commentator or Stacey Abrams--activist). Michels fails to meet WP:NPOL or WP:GNG, and therefore the article merits deletion. His business, Michels Corporation, does merit WP:GNG and could have some of the content from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnAdams1800 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have reapplied {{subst:afd2}} due to some missing formatting. No opinion or further comment. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Politicians, Military, Illinois, and Wisconsin. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Voyageurs Area Council

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Blatant use of Wikipedia as if it's an extension of their website and this doesn't meet WP:NCORP. That it's likely incorporated as "non profit" and their pesence in MN, WI and MN is not within the intentions of WP:NONPROFIT. Graywalls (talk) 14:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Scouting, Companies, Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Graywalls (talk) 14:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are a lot of articles for councils: List of councils (Boy Scouts of America). Councils are run by volunteers in BSA and they usually are done based on region so I don't know where even the WP:NONPROFIT argument applies (if it even did). The more important thing is WP:N and if it doesn't hold, I would be more towards a redirect to the list provided or any Scouting-related page. – The Grid (talk) 16:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the article, it sounds like the council itself is in the process of shutting down and their territory is being merged into other councils. So, the probability that the council will continue to have any significant long-term web presence is low. While the article does have some problems, the proposal does not indicate why this council would be less notable than others, many of which have independent pages. Wikipedia has plenty of pages dedicated to organizations that no longer exist, including several about defunct BSA councils, so while this organization may not serve people in the future, it would have met WP:N standards during its period of operation. Within certain communities of interest, such as Scout Patch Collectors and Scouting historians, every council is notable enough to get a few pages in things like Scout patch identification guidebooks. Although many of the sources linked are from the council, there are already a few independent sources (but more are needed). I oppose deletion, although I would not object to significant edits to address the issues of neutrality, limited references, etc. ToddDTaft (talk) 20:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pages about organizations/companies that fail to meet the requirements of WP:NCORP don't qualify to have a standalone article. Graywalls (talk) 06:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and there's room for merging/redirecting as articles such as Scouting in Minnesota and Scouting in Wisconsin exist (as a valid alternative to deletion) – The Grid (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Grid:, Yep, merge was my first thought, however being that there's no single suitable target being it is relevant to MN, WI and MI, and the article unambiguously failing NORG, it leaves deletion as a reasonable option. Graywalls (talk) 22:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Please consider the alternatives to deletion like Redirect or Merge.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend keep, because this BSA council is no less notable than the hundreds of other councils that also have wikipedia articles. Furthermore, although much of the original material in the article (which Graywalls has already deleted without waiting for the results of this discussion) was poorly sourced, that is more appropriate for a Template:Primary sources to be added (to encourage other editors to contribute to the article) than a deletion request (which only discourages others from contributing). Johnson487682 (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Contributions based primarily on the website of the organization, personal websites should be discouraged. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST is not a good justification to retain notability failing articles. As a matter of fact, there are so many articles in BSA topic area that are written essentailly from BSA operated sites, personal websites and blogs that they should be merged, redirected or deleted. If it was only in Minnesota, re-direct to Scouting in Minnesota is an easy one, but given it spans over three states, the target is not an easy pick. Graywalls (talk) 18:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The content was contrary to policy because any Wikipedia article must not be primarily based on self-published sources. See WP:ABOUTSELF (the five conditions are cumulative). The removal was necessary, and the AfD being in progress does not matter at all. —Alalch E. 10:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I see no support for Deletion right now. While a Redirect requires a single target article, articles can be Merged to multiple articles so I don't see a problem there. However, just because, other, similar articles exist is not justification to keep this one if notability can not be established.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Redirect~~ to List of councils (Boy Scouts of America) per nom. After my search for sources per WP:BEFORE I could not find any with something resembling significant coverage, let alone WP:ORGDEPTH-grade significant coverage, and all of the reliable sources I could find were local reports on mundane affairs such as the closing of a camp or local youth receiving scouting awards. WP:NCORP fail, can't provide legitimate encyclopedic coverage of this topic. Interested readers should look elsewhere for information, such as by visiting the organization's website.—Alalch E. 10:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scouting in Minnesota#Voyageurs Area Council is a better redirect target. —Alalch E. 11:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't even notice when I looked. My vote is Redirect/merge to Scouting in Minnesota#Voyageurs Area Council per Alalch E. and my comments above. If anything for the nominator, the self published do needs to be removed which can easily be done with the merge. – The Grid (talk) 13:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Either redirect or merge is fine by me. I'm not sure if the content should be merged and if the camps and number of children are such due information in the target article, and those numbers change year after year, but I don't take a position on this.—Alalch E. 15:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]