Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. The arguments for deletion are strong and well-presented, but received no support among participants here. Owen× ☎ 20:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round

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Having checked through per WP:BEFORE, significant coverages (WP:SIGCOV) are rather poor for most 2nd and below tier formula classes given the reason for this nominations. Sources consists of almost entirely of WP:PRIMARY. Additionally, Wikipedia is not a sportsheet for the most ardent of fans (WP:NOTSTATS), whom anything less than first tier formula classes appeals to. WP:AFD will be a redirect or merge to 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship (edit) and 2024 FIA Formula 2 Championship.

I am also nominating the following related pages for this same reason with more to be added in:

Further additions for this same reason above):

SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bahrain-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all - It's standard practice to routinely split out individual races from their parent (season) article. This keeps the parent article (in this case 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship) readable. Your suggestion to merge, while also being a full admittance that there is notable content here, would cause the parent article to be far too cluttered. WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE once again apply here. ~~"...whom anything less than first tier formula classes appeals to." That is your personal opinion and one which quite obviously has a lot of disagreement.~~ ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 23:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, suggesting 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship as an ATD for the F2 races you bundled in is pure nonsense. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 23:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What about WP:NOTSTATS? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 05:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. (e.g., statistics from the main article 2012 United States presidential election were moved to a related article Nationwide opinion polling for the 2012 United States presidential election)." This language seems to support the splitting of these individual races. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 07:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I wouldn't have minded them to exist if reliable third party sources exists to back them up, but no, we get sources consisting of mainly WP:PRIMARY or nothing and do we need an WP:INDISCRIMINATE amount of sports results to clutter Wikipedia with, especially those the most ardent minority of nerds bother with. There's always a home for them in Fandom. Nothing wrong with that site, though. People should think before shoving junk into Wikipedia. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  But you're not understanding that these are not standalone articles; their notability is established through sources which exist in the main article including Formula Scout and Autosport. The personal aspects of your rationale also really needs to stop, posthaste. Personal attacks like calling people "nerds" and calling their efforts "junk" are part of what got you sent to ANI before. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Wow, such snowflakes like the modern times, getting upset by words like 'nerds', I thought nerds like being called nerds. I was a car nerd at one time and am not ashamed of that label. I call 'efforts' like this junk because people write crap. Worse is that there is no source. Is this the standards Wikipedia is heading to?
  
  "their notability is established through sources which exist in the main article including Formula Scout and Autosport" ...and not much else as checked WP:BEFORE. So 3 sources make a subject notable per WP:SIGCOV. SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  The statistics "split off" (they weren't split, these article were created separately) are not actually significant. The only significant results of feeder series are the championship results, which are already included on the relevant season article. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 00:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "(they weren't split, ...)" - Yes they were; the initial versions of these pages were redirects to the main article created by MaxLikesStuff, created out of WP:REDLINKS at the redirect target. Radioactive39 then converted these redirects into sub-articles in order to add content rather than add it to the main article and clutter it up. The stats in these sub-articles are summarized in the main article. There is nothing in NOTSTATS which indicates that these sub-articles are in violation of it. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Saudi Arabia, France, Italy, Spain, and Australia. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 23:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Formula One is the top tier of the sport and one of the (if not the single) most prestigious category in motorsport as a whole. The F1 equivalent pages to the ones included in this nomination, using this article as an example, contain little more additional information. Reading WP:NOTSTATS, the only thing these pages are missing is a little more summarised information. The nominated pages display the information in clear, concise tables and they provide information that is not available in the main season articles (2024 Formula 2 Championship and 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship) and add context to the relevant motorsport championship. Romero13 (talk) 10:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Fandom are always there for fans like you. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above discussion. These are not standalone articles — if you nominate these few you should go all the way back to 2004 and list all rounds of previous F3000, GP2, Formula 2, GP3 and Formula 3 seasons. But as much as some lack sufficient prose, all are notable individually and WP:SECONDARY coverage exists. Nominator also gets a WP:TROUT for their uncivil comments. MSport1005 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"But as much as some lack sufficient prose..." I noticed that 2024 FIA Formula 3 Championship does have summaries of the races in its prose, in line with the above-quoted section of WP:NOTSTATS which I opine supports our keep !votes. This is the exact standard which I believe we strive for on Wikipedia as a whole; SUMMARY-style prose in the main article, stats tables split out into their own sub-articles. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 18:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds good to me. They aren't independently after all. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 00:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As mentioned above, these articles may not have any prose, but they have been a staple of the site for years, with GP2 and GP3 having had their individual race articles. (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all: Per above discussions. Clearly a WP:BEFORE search was not done. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, I have done that, only 3 websites offered similar things. Years ago, these would've been shot to pieces. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I like to point out that Wikipedia is not sports news per WP:NOTNEWS nor is WP:CFORK SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.