Talk:The Man from Earth

link to letter

i don't know how to edit wikipedia, so could someone include his letter to Releaselog, thanking them? it's located at http://www.rlslog.net/piracy-isnt-that-bad-and-they-know-it/ - thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.81.15.240 (talk) 13:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Citation needed?

"Producers Schenkman (sellingrs), Bixby (Emerson_Bixby) and Wilkinson (EWilkinson100) have all written comments on IMDb forums and responded to questions from fans.[citation needed]"

Why a citation is needed if I can look in IMDB and see for myself? If I say that Amazon.com sells books and DVDs I need to cite a reputable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.70.236.203 (talk) 19:36, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The reason a citation to a reliable source is required is that we have no way of knowing for sure if the contributors to that forum are indeed the people they say they are. However, if a well-known critic or reporter confirms that the contributions are in fact from Emerson Bixby or Schenkman, then the statement can be used (with a ref to the source).
Jim Dunning | talk 20:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to know how Bixby can post on forums if he's been dead since 1998 ... 91.104.152.54 (talk) 20:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It's his son, Emerson, that is (allegedly) doing the posting. No channeling involved.
Jim Dunning | talk 22:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Here are some contributions that can be the citations: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/board/nest/111003598?p=1 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/board/thread/111003598 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raul1231 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe he staged his death and he hasn't aged lolololo (sorry about this, I know this is Wikipedia, it was just too tempting)Igiarmpr (talk) 05:11, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Influences

Maybe some discussion of possible and confirmed influences on the story might be useful. The plot struck me as a combination of a Twilight Zone episode (which also involved an immortal history professor) and a Star Trek episode (which involved an immortal who, like the character in Man from Earth, described his process of staying in one place for a while, appearing to age, and moving on, lived in mesopotamia, etc.). Since Bixby was involved with both shows, it might be useful to readers to comment on the creative process behind the plot, including where the ideas came from. C d h (talk) 13:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, that would be useful information. The story also reminded me very strongly of the book Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins, in which the king of a Germanic tribe in the middle ages discovers immortality and travels the world, surviving until modern times and interacting with modern characters. I wonder if there might be some connection or influence between the novel and this film. I also got a kick out of one of Tony Todd's lines at the end of the film: "I'm going to go home and watch Star Trek for a dose of sanity." Todd was a frequent guest star on TNG and DS9. 98.212.158.76 (talk) 06:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

(un-wiki of me) I thought it was okay - but it seemed very stagey. All Men Are Mortal is an obvious antecedent. One point - if he wasn't immortal (un-killable) - then it's very unlikely he would have survived. Assume the accidental death homicide rate is 1/1000 per year. Playing those odds 70 times seems risky - try those same odds 14,000 times. Binomial probability is a killer. My best guess at the probability of him surviving 14,000 years would be about 1/5000. To put it another way - once you've been alive for 693 years - you've got a 50% chance of being killed by an accident. Megapixie (talk) 15:17, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for taking your statement literally, but once you've been alive for 693 years - you do not have a 50% chance of being killed by an accident, those odds are still at 1 to 1000 that year. I think what you meant is that there is a 50% chance of such an accident occurring over a period of 693 years. Subtle but important difference. Statistical independence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.134.14 (talk) 09:25, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The Star Trek episode you're thinking of was WRITTEN by Bixby, so of course there are similarities. The Twilight Zone episode Long Live Walter Jameson was probably a big influence, but you can find tales like this from way back. See the article on the Wandering Jew which may well have influenced the Jewish Bixby (also, I bet he couldn't get the Jesus idea into Star Trek!). And All Men Are Mortal (1946) deserves mention as a story about a living man from the middle ages (1279 A.D., shades of the The Highlander) that showed up before Twilight Zone and Star Trek. I've put these in the See Also section, along with an L. Sprague de Camp story from 1938 which is the closest SF "oldie" about this theme that I can find. But if you count it as science fiction, see also the 1886 H. Rider Haggard's She: A History of Adventure. The main difference there is that Ayesha/She stays in one place as she doesn't age. For a closer retelling of She on Twilight Zone, see 1964 episode Queen of the Nile, where the immortal Egyptian queen does something that the Bixby character is accused of in The Man From Earth (sucking youth from other people). SBHarris 22:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler

I removed the spoiler from the intro and the change was reverted. Am I missing something here? The whole point of the movie is speculating whether John's story is true or not and the Wiki article gives that away in the intro section. What is Wikipedia policy on this? Why give away the whole movie? This makes the entire article of questionable value in my opinion. --Jperlin (talk) 19:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Plot descriptions and the rest of the article are not to exclude information just because it "gives away" ("spoils") plot twists and the ending. Wikipedia is not a marketing tool or a place for readers to check on movie (or book) reviews. It consists of articles that fully discuss themes, story lines, plot development, and all other elements of a work of fiction. That's why there are no spoiler warnings and why the "spoiler" information you (in good faith) removed was reinstated. Hope this helps.
Jim Dunning | talk 21:16, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

John Oldman - Bonafide Cro-Magnon

I've noticed that my change has been reverted. At the end of the film, the film showed that John Oldman is clearly the father of Dr. Will Gruber. If he wasn't a bona-fide immortal, he wouldn't be able to be Dr Will Gruber's father. Also, the part where John Oldman said he played along with his friends is indeed an act, as evident by the conversation with Sandra. Thus, I'm reverting back to my original post. --DoomScythe (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

POV

The reviews section of the article has nothing but good reviews. does anyone have sources that have more criticizing reviews? This movie is far from perfect. I have seen a few, but they're all in blogs, and I don't think that passes WP:RS. --Nezek (talk) 05:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

There are no "bad" reviews because there have been none. You may find critical analysis in some more academic reviews that question certain factors within the movie - criticism of certain minor factors, and occasional perhaps "clunkyness" in parts of the plot or dialogue - but to use them might give them to much weight as the rest will be highly positive. It is not impossible to find movies with only positive review, but it is unusual. This is one of those movies. The7thdr (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The7thdr is right. You can look it up on rottentomatoes here to find three more positive reviews...and no negative ones. And on imdb the median vote is 9 out of 10. --Blogjack (talk) 04:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've heard several critics that say the movie is a propaganda of some sort. However, with this number of enthusiastic fans "protecting" the article, I think even the slightest bit of criticism is unlikely to survive more than a couple of hours. --91.8.249.247 (talk) 14:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Reviews

That section ought not to appear in Wikipedia. It not only violates NPOV, it's also a set of miscellanous info. Consider deleting it? Kayau Voting IS evil 13:59, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Reviews section (moved from article)

Extended content

"A considerable achievement... a picture which deserves wide exposure... The Man From Earth gradually and stimulatingly builds to a pitch of near hypnotic intensity." – Neil Young, The Hollywood Reporter "Based on a really wonderful final work by Jerome Bixby... If you’re a fan of Bixby's – it's a must own." – Harry Knowles, Ain’t It Cool News "The Man From Earth restores dignity to science fiction of the mind." - Michael Guillen, Twitch "A tall tale... that ends with a devastatingly clever twist." - Michael Janusonis, The Providence Journal "Great acting performances... with an ending you wouldn't want to miss... Jerome Bixby's last written work has turned out to be his best." - Hock Teh, IGN "A mind bending drama... It sure beats watching Transformers." - Nick Lyons, DVD Talk "The Man From Earth is very much a labor of love from all involved... it's well worth the effort. The final work from the writer responsible for some of the finest episodes of The Twilight Zone and the original Star Trek gets a thoughtful, low-budget treatment." – Ian Spelling, Sci Fi.com "Jerome Bixby's The Man From Earth is one of the most intelligent science fiction films ever made... probably one of the best science fiction films of the decade." – Mark R. Leeper, Stephen Hunt's SF Crows Nest "The Man From Earth really has a chance of being the single best piece of screenwriting you will see on a screen large or small this year (really!)." – Late Film

Moving this here for the references. Maybe someone wants to write a bit of proper prose about critical reception. In its current form, this is entirely unsuitable for mainspace. --78.35.194.173 (talk) 06:42, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

scifi?

does this movie really fall under scifi? 98.117.186.191 (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, reliable sources call it a science fiction film. It may not involve future technology, but it does meet one of the definitions of science fiction: "Stories that involve technology or scientific principles that contradict known laws of nature." The main character's nature qualifies as such. Erik (talk | contribs) 00:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

No, there is no fictional scientific or technical achievement, therefore it is fiction, but not science fiction. The fact that the main character contradicts the laws of nature does not make it science fiction, otherwise every fantasy story would be science fiction. --2003:70:EE2A:FA17:8159:A05A:99E2:8F78 (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

sequel

where do i add that the producers are working on a sequel? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1759006687/the-man-from-earth-ii-man-from-earth-millennium

Update: The sequel was released in 2017. Will it get its own wiki page? It seems to have been a lot less successful than this movie. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5770864/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedrickSchu (talk • contribs) 03:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

List of film recommendations in the see also

Is there any particular reason why we have a list of films in the see also? I don't think it serves any particular purpose – certainly not an encyclopedic one. If you guys want to give out a list of recommendations, then try a blog. I think it should be removed, obviously. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:36, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Have you read WP:ALSO? Do you not agree that the links easily fall within the scope of the "See also" section? – JBarta (talk) 14:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I've read it, and as far as I can tell, the current list does not comply with this sentence: "The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number." Firstly, they aren't relevant to this topic and would definitely have no place in a comprehensive article on the topic, at least in my opinion. The other subjects listed are related through somewhat similar plots, and that's it. And the last one is not even objective; this list is far too long. Sock (tock talk) 14:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I think a valid "see also" link would be to immortality in fiction, list of fictional immortals, or both. Partially recreating those lists here, embedded in the "see also" section, does not strike me as a good idea. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:58, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I looked for something like immortality in fiction before I came here, and I think that is the appropriate link to have (though I admit that article is crummy in organizing the content). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

NinjaRobotPirate, perfect solution. I would gladly support keeping the first (Requiem for Methuselah), removing the rest and adding immortality in fiction and list of fictional immortals. – JBarta (talk) 15:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Good find, NinjaRobotPirate! This was a rare example of a disagreement getting solved very quickly and with civility. And the final outcome is even better! Sorry that I wasn't quite as reserved as I usually am, I got me some wikistress this morning. Sock (tock talk) 15:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I did a few preliminary searches when I first edited the article, but I couldn't find anything relevant. It wasn't until I posted here that I had the obvious idea of looking at Category:Immortality. Erik is right, though. Immortality in fiction is a mess. Maybe I should create a few redirects to that article, as none of us could even find it for a while. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC) edit: Just before I first posted to this thread, a program crashed, and I lost a bit of work. In retrospect, I should have tried harder to find a solution before I posted an irritable message here, but I was in a bad mood. As it turns out, the solution was pretty easy to find once I calmed down. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that the very broad categories above had hundreds of entries because they include everything from Greek and Norse gods to vampires and zombies and fairies. Yeah, they're all a LOT like this film.

The previous "See Also" list was about similar stories (mostly NOT films) preceding Bixby's, narrowly about a lone human being who becomes ageless (not immortal-- all these people are killable and vulnerable) in some way thousands of years ago, and has managed to live through most of human history, hiding their agelessness, as observers. Then are, as the plot of the story, forced to tell the tale.

Originally:

• Requiem for Methuselah 1969 Star Trek episode by Jerome Bixby, an earlier version of this story, by the same author. "Mr. Flint" is 6000 years old and has lived through all of recorded history.
• The Gnarly Man 1939 short story by L. Sprague de Camp about a cave man (in this case a Neanderthal, not a Cro Magnon), who makes it to modern times by failing to age, after being struck by lightning.[1] The story ends with the main character "Clarence" tearing apart a laboratory of a scientist who wants to vivisect him. In The Man from Earth, John says he's stayed away from laboratories "for fear of going in and not coming out."
• All Men are Mortal 1946 novel by Simone de Beauvoir. It tells of a man born in 1279 A.D. who is cursed to wander the Earth without aging. See also the 1986 film Highlander (film) about a Scotsman from a similar time, who finds he does not age, and must keep moving to avoid persecution.
• The Wandering Jew: a series of old legends about a Jewish man who is made immortal in the time of Jesus, and cursed to wander the Earth until the second coming.
• Long Live Walter Jameson 1960 Twilight Zone episode by Charles Beaumont, about a man more than 2000 years old, who has not aged due to an encounter with an alchemist. He teaches very realistic history classes.
• Queen of the Nile 1964 Twilight Zone episode about an Egyptian queen (implied to be Cleopatra) who has learned the secret of immortality by stealing youth from others (something Professor Oldman is accused randomly of doing in the Bixby film, but this is never established or suggested by any other plot elements.)
• The 2000 Year Old Man 1961 Mel Brooks/Carl Reiner comedy skit with both cave man jokes and ancient history jokes. The title character has lived to the present by not aging.
• Last Supper (The Outer Limits), which features a women from Medieval Spain who survived into the present day after being the sole survivor after everyone in her village died from the Black Plague. She is subjected to brutal medical experiments by the US military to test her endurance and healing ability. The doctor who conducted the experiments injects lab rats with samples of her blood that has extended their lifespan so that even twenty years later they are still living.
• She: A History of Adventure, an 1886 novel by H. Rider Haggard about an ageless woman who rules a lost African kingdom, discovered by explorers. She ages rapidly and dies at the end.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbharris (talk • contribs) 02:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Beethoven Recording

I just finished watching this movie, and as soon as he started the Beethoven recording I knew that it was the Karajan from 1962, which I happen to have on disk. Listening to it after I am fairly sure that the recording is the exact same. Any way to verify this information? ~SamwiseFilmore 98.215.53.33 (talk) 03:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)