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Croydon College

Have you seen the edit request on Talk:Croydon College? I can't believe the arrogance of "Senior management"! Nor can I really see what they object to – the two sentences under dispute are matters of history, and not remotely defamatory or disparaging (in fact, given the latter-day respectability of Malcolm McLaren et al., I'd have thought the association was something they might be quite proud of). I don't know what the protocol is, but if there's anything I should be doing, please let me know. GrindtXX (talk) 14:01, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like someone is under a massive misapprehension of what WP is about if they think that the views of "senior management" (though these are perhaps more likely to be the views of the editor) will sway anybody. I assume that the person requesting this is a newly created sockpuppet of the marketing arm of the college. I'm not really experienced with how semi-protection works but does this mean that if a legitimate user accepts the change then it'll go through? Not that anyone without a vested interest would accept it. But I'd imagine that once the semi-protection ends they'll be attacking it again. asnac (talk) 20:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've added a note opposing, though I don't know if that's what's required! GrindtXX (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

The Whitsun Weddings

Thank you for pointing out my mistakes on the page, Asnac - I think I had somewhat missed the point of WP. Apologies. huxley (talk) 08:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, appreciate your post, asnac (talk) 15:34, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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{{adminhelp}} I nominated a page for speedy deletion but the creator has deleted the template and I notice he deleted someone else's nomination earlier. Have left message on his talk page but was wondering, once a page is nominated can the person keep deleting the template forever or will an administrator be aware of what's going on? asnac (talk) 16:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

There is a series of template warnings, starting with {{uw-speedy1}} and working up to {{uw-speedy4}}. (They should be "subst-ed", e.g. {{subst:uw-speedy1}}).If the speedy is removed again after a level 4 warning, WP:AIV is the place to make a report - that is watched by many admins. There is a "bot", an automatic system, which often catches and reverts speedy removals, so look at the talk page for previous warnings and add the next one. I have deleted this article. Thanks. JohnCD (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice on this. I hadn't realised about the different grades of warning and it's good to know that there's a bot watching for this. asnac (talk) 18:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Gwynedd-Mercy College

Your recently added an advertisement tag to the Gwynedd-Mercy College page. I don't understand why. While I may be an employee of the college I am cleaning up the page as biased and fair as I can be which includes removing information that is no longer pertinent to the college. I did not create this page, it was created by someone else or a bot and I don't want it to be showing outdated or antiquated information. I cite all the new facts I put in that are from reputable third-party sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GMCedu (talk • contribs) 17:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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History of Crystal Palace F.C.

This was discussed at WT:FOOTY, there was consensus there that the article was in a horrendous state. I agree that we should discuss further at the article talk page - however, we should be discussing how to build the article back up. We really need to start from scratch here. GiantSnowman 16:43, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks for clarifying. asnac (talk) 16:48, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, the reason why I put an Italian word on that page is available on the "talk" section of the article, please check it out.--Francotti (talk) 11:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

OK, I see, and that's consistent with 'Deutsche' for the Germans article so a very reasonable change. It's helpful to put an edit summary as the lack of an explanation can mean that your intention is misunderstood. asnac (talk) 17:53, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Devadasi is prostitution, period!

You are only apologizing for a prostitution system. Devadasis had very low social status. My changes are contributing. Your unfounded deletings are no. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.207.187.233 (talk) 17:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Good work on Carus Wilson! Thoughtfortheday (talk) 19:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

GAONA conflict

I was still working on it. I was planning on creating a separate page called Gaona Karaoke, Gaona Argentina and having a redirection link to these from Gaona page. I am still new, and was figuring out, how to do it. You can do it if you want to. I guess you get the idea?

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I appreciate you're new. To be honest I'm not sure how to change the name of an article so it's better if you can sort it out. Really the best thing would be for you to restore it to what it originally was, with just one page for Gaona, the place. There's very little chance that the karaoke article would survive, see WP:ORG, and I see that someone's already put a speedy deletion notice on it. asnac (talk) 11:03, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Revision to Ray Donovan Page

Hello, I'm responding to your message about my revision to the Ray Donovan page. I just checked the page and I saw that a member of the recurring cast is not listed anymore. In your message, you mentioned that my edit was not "constructive". I went to a page looking for more information on a show I watched, saw that there was information about a cast member missing, and added the information. It was a while ago, but I believe I added the full name of the character portrayed and maybe a parenthetical note about the character only appearing in the first season. It was a small edit, but how was it not constructive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.160.74 (talk) 04:32, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I've replied on your talk page. asnac (talk) 09:25, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Revision to Ivan Kozlovsky Page

I received a message that a change I made to to the above page wasn't considered "constructive." The change consisted of removing a few sentences that state Kozlovsky couldn't leave the Soviet because his brother had left many years earlier. I have read no evidence backing this assertion in any account of the singer's life. That his brother left is incontestible, but Kozlovsky's rise to fame and popularity post-date that by several decades. Kozlovsky had family, friends, steady employment, regular recordings, concerts, tours, and honors in the Soviet. Whatever one might think of the regime, he never fell out of favor, and there seems no apparent reason to doubt he would have wanted to return if he left. If you can provide evidence that Kozlovsky was refused a request to tour outside the Soviet, I will gladly concede your point. I am only looking to avoid placing unsupported rumors in what should be a factual account of the great tenor's life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.61.216 (talk) 13:23, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I didn't intend to say it was non-constructive, apologies, only that the way the sourcing query was inserted into the text was non-standard. Consider using a citation template. Anyway you've got rid of the section now which is understandable as there's no source. asnac (talk) 18:09, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Children's Order of Chivalry page

Hello. Thank you for your inquiry about the possible mention of this in Wilfrid Blunt Lady Muriel: Lady Muriel Paget, her Husband and her Philanthropic Work in Central and Eastern Europe - London, Methuen & Co., 1962. Yes, I do own a copy of this, but unfortunately the only index it provides is an Index of Persons. Without re-reading the entire book needle-in-haystack fashion, the only reference to the Children's Order of Chivalry that I have so far discovered is on pages 10 to 12. This is rather brief, but it reads as follows:

[p. 10] Shortly before his death Maidy had discussed with his father the idea of founding a Children's Order of Chivalry, whose members were to assist and correspond with poorer children whom they would 'adopt'. Lord Winchilsea now founded the Order in his [p. 11*] son's memory. Its object, wrote Lady Winchilsea, was 'to try to bring the two worlds nearer together - some of the brightness of the rich world to the sadness of the poor, and some of the reality of the poor world as a reminder to the rich of what their life, duty and work should be besides the pleasure and the enjoyment'. [p. 12] Companionship Paper of the Order, embellished with a wood-engraving of the wistful child in his Eton collar and bearing the motto, 'What's brave, what's noble, let's do it', was printed for use by its members.

*Please note that the remainder of p.11 is taken up with the reproduction of part of a handwritten letter by Viscount Maidstone, in which the Order is not mentioned at all.

I have also found a reference to the Children's Order of Chivalry in Irene Austen (compiler) and Emon Khan (editor) Ewerby Book: A History & Village Life Today - Ewerby, Lincs., Ewerby Reading Room, 2007. This reads:

4.5.7 The Children's Order of Chivalry

The Rules - Gentleness, Honour and Love.

The Order - The Children's Order of Chivalry was founded to bind together with the threefold cord of gentleness, honour and love, children belonging to every sphere of life, so that by kind words and deeds passing between one and the other, more especially from the rich to the poor, a spirit of sympathy and large heartedness may be encouraged in early life.

A membership form was printed in the Cable newspaper for people to complete to become members of the "Roll of the Order", this entitled people to take part in any competition and to write for advice and help on any subject. The Order provided a house in Ewerby for poor children from the East End of London to spend a little time in the country. They also had a children's party before the New Year for 300 poor children in London. The Party was held at St. Mark's Hall in the East End. The hall was decorated with greenery from Haverholme and had a 15 foot Christmas tree with 300 candles and a gift for each child under the tree. The tables were ladened with sandwiches, plum pudding, mince pies and cakes and each child had a cracker. Some children had been invited but did not attend as they had no shoes to wear.

The aim of the Order of Chivalry was to raise money and provide a convalescent home, this was opened in Ewerby and supervised by the Nurses from the Lincolnshire Nursing Agency.

An Evedon and Ewerby Branch of the Order was formed.

[all from page 163; original punctuation and orthography retained.]

Please accept my sincere apologies for the delay in replying - I discovered your message only this morning. Also, I am not at all sure how to send scans via Wikipedia, hence the transcriptions rather than scanned photocopies. Best regards, Dalkeith46 (talk) 13:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Out of office

I've given up editing WP in order to concentrate on other things. I expect at some point in the future to come back. asnac (talk) 18:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Now I'm back for a bit asnac (talk) 08:10, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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John Skinner and the Skerne Bridge

@Asnac:, it appears you have access to the 1984 edition of John Skinner's Journals. I am interested in his 1825 watercolour of the Skerne Bridge (see here). I have a scan of it which I would like to upload to Commons, but I have been unable to establish the US copyright position, which I believe depends on when it was first published. There is evidence that it was published in the Northern Echo (31 May 2000), though I have not confirmed this. Wikipedia also records that editions of Skinner's journals were published in 1930 and 1984. From my limited understanding of US copyright, if it was first published either in 1930 or in 2000, it is out of copyright, but if the first publication was in 1984, then it remains in copyright until 2035 (or some such future date).

Is the Skerne Bridge watercolour in the 1984 edition of Skinner's Journals? If it is, does the book indicate whether it was also in the 1930 edition, or is 1984 its first appearance? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 22:13, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Verbarson:There are no illustrations at all in my edition. An extract from the preface to this edition may be helpful to you:

“The Journal of a Somerset Rector, edited by Howard Coombs and Rev Arthur N Bax was published by John Murray in 1930, and dealt with the years 1822–32.

“At that time the subject seem to be exhausted, but during the year 1933 we were informed that the British Museum had purchased from a London bookseller a further 25 volumes of the Rev Skinner’s MSS. 21 of these are autograph journals, and the other four are volumes of miscellanea, two of which are labelled ‘Camertonia’. One of these proved to be of unusual interest: it was entitled ‘The Liber Niger of Camerton’ and presents a unique, if unedifying picture of English village life in the early part of the last century.

“In this volume, the record has been amplified by the Black Book of Camerton as well as passages from the story of Skinner’s earlier years which could not find a place in the first volume and also by important additions from the years 1832-4.”

I mention this as it suggests that the 1930 edn. is the same sort of thing, presumably also lacking illustrations.

It’s possible I’ll be going to the British library in the next few weeks to look at something else. If I do, I’ll have a look at the 1930 edition just to be sure and let you know.

asnac (talk) 09:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I was wondering if I could sign up to the BL northern branch near Wetherby, and check there, but so far other commitments have got in the way. If none of the published editions have illustrations, that would be good news. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 17:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@verbarson The 1930 edition doesn't have that illustration either. asnac (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@Asnac: thank you very much. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 16:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Image uploaded and used on Skerne Bridge. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. asnac (talk) 09:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

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